Title: Is It Over For Netanyahu? Poll Shows Most Americans Support His ARREST | Ep. 6
Show: John Kiriakou
Date: 2026-07-30
URL: https://youtu.be/-utK73sjrc4
Duration: 45:00

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[00:00] Hi everybody. I'm John Kiriakou and this is the briefing room. Before we start with today's news and there's a lot of news, I want to thank you deeply. We've been doing this show for 2 weeks and last night we crossed 200,000 subscribers. So thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Please continue to like, to subscribe, to watch, to tell your friends and family members and please go ahead and comment. We're taking in all of these comments and there have been so

[00:31] many fantastic ideas whether whether technical or ideas for for future episodes, we're considering everything. So please keep it up. Maybe we'll do something on famous assassinations or or whatever. We're looking at all of these ideas. So thank you very much. As I said, we have a lot of news to get to today. I want to say hi from Miami, Florida today. I'm doing some other recording here, but most importantly, last night Iran

[01:02] launched another round of missiles at a US base in Jordan after a very brief pause in strikes. Now, that came after US and Saudi forces attacked Iranian or pro-Iranian militias in Iraq. Now, I'm going to blow my horn here. Didn't we say a week ago we were looking at expansion of this conflict and it was going to turn into a regional war? Well, now it's not just the US and

[01:34] Israel against Iran. The Iranians of course have been bombing Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, Oman, the United Arab Emirates, Jordan. Well, now the Saudis are involved and remember a few days ago Yemen's Houthis got involved and said that they would begin attacking Saudi ships. They've done that. Not just Saudi ships, but Saudi oil And now the Saudis are striking back, not just against the Houthis, but against pro-Iranian militias in Iraq.

[02:05] It's a regional war. Whether we've called that called it that officially or not, it's a regional war. We've also got another bombshell video of Lindsey Graham talking strategy with Benjamin Netanyahu. And a shocking new poll showing that a majority, not a plurality, a majority of Americans support the arrest of Benjamin Netanyahu. That is significantly higher, that number. Significantly higher than the share of

[02:37] Americans who supported the arrest of Nicholas Maduro. And according to CNN, it represents a 50% point move just over the last 5 years. But I want to start by showing you some footage from yesterday at Lindsey Graham's funeral. I think you're going to enjoy this. Some of these exchanges you see here Benjamin Netanyahu on the left, President Zelensky of Ukraine on the right. He's speaking to Secretary of

[03:08] State Marco Rubio in the center. And then later on you see Pete Hegseth, the Secretary of Defense walk in and Scott Bessent, the Secretary of the Treasury walks in. Um it's it wasn't just a funeral. It was a meeting of the minds. Some of these exchanges, the body language tells you a lot. It was a real who's who of what we're going to call maximus maximalist US foreign policy. Zelensky was making the rounds with Netanyahu. What do they

[03:38] have in common? They both want more and more and more American missiles. Then you had Netanyahu standing there and this is kind of dramatic. If you look, he ends up wagging his finger at Marco Rubio and Pete Hegseth. You almost have to admire that in kind of a funny way. Here's Here's the Israeli Prime Minister, a wildly unpopular one, at that, on camera, appearing to lecture the American

[04:10] Secretaries of State and Defense. No doubt enjoying being on video giving orders to Pete Hegseth. So, here you can see Rubio does this little spin to look away as Netanyahu's talking. Everything is done for a reason at these levels. It's tough, of course, for us to know what they're talking about. There was no audio that was associated with but maybe deploying ground troops? I mean, that's kind of the logical next next topic of conversation. Maybe Iran's latest

[04:40] missile attack on Jordan? Whatever. Whatever it was, Netanyahu certainly looked like the one doing most of the talking. And then, after the funeral was over, Prime Minister Netanyahu went to the White House and had a closed-door meeting with President Trump. Once that meeting was done, he then gave an exclusive interview to Sean Hannity. We're going to talk about that in a second. So, after the funeral, Netanyahu left to go to the White House

[05:11] for this closed press meeting at the Oval Office, meaning no reporters were allowed to attend. No reporters. So, I want you to ask yourself, why do you think no reporters were allowed to attend? We're We're talking about two major world leaders who love love love to get in front of cameras. So, why were two of the most camera-happy leaders in the world afraid to answer questions?

[05:41] I think it's because the reality is the relationship between Donald Trump Benjamin Netanyahu has never been any more tense. Listen to this quote from Netanyahu on the meeting and tell me if you think this sounds legit. >> Um, I don't think the world's seen anything like it. And, you know, you met with the president today. >> Yeah. >> How'd that meeting go? >> It was great. It was one one of the best meetings that we've had.

[06:11] And I always, you know, I always hate to disappoint uh our would-be critics uh who are trying to find, you know, cracks in our alliance. And what they find, like today, is a wall of granite, cuz the president is so clear. I mean, he's so We have a common commitment. We don't want to see this fanatic regime in Tehran have nuclear weapons to threaten every American uh and to threaten the peace of the world and to threaten the existence of

[06:42] Israel. So, we have a common goal. And it's going to be achieved either through diplomatic means or other means. >> It's a wall of granite. The US-Israeli relationship is a wall of granite. But it's not, at least not according to Donald Trump. The president went on Fox & Friends the next morning. He He called in, which he frequently does. And uh and they asked him about the meeting with Netanyahu. Check out what he said

[07:14] then. >> Iran will not have a nuclear weapon. There are reports now that um Netanyahu is going to talk to you about ongoing excavation at um Pickaxe Mountain, construction vehicles entering and exiting exiting tunnels, paving new access roads, satellite imagery and intel indicates that Iran is actively constructing and fortifying Pickaxe Mountain. How will we respond? >> Well, I don't need Bibi to tell me that. Bibi's telling me that cuz he wants me to stay involved. I mean, I don't

[07:45] necessarily We have the finest because of space force. We have the greatest cameras in the world focused. So, we know exactly what's going on. But, uh no, I heard Bibi announce that. I said, "Why don't you just tell it to me? Why do you have to announce it to the world? I know exactly what's going on at Pickax. It's not a big problem. We took out their nuclear sites, and we'll have to take out Pickax if we don't make a deal. We don't make a deal, we'll take it out very easily. >> Listen, everything that Donald Trump said there in that clip is true. Everything he said is true. So,

[08:18] let's break it down. Benjamin Benjamin Netanyahu is is a consummate uh politician. He's constantly working on public opinion. And he knows that American public opinion, at least on Israel and on Muslim countries, is is easily malleable. Right? All you have to do is say, "Islam, terrorism, nuclear." And everybody just runs around like their hair is on fire. Um

[08:49] Donald Trump does what he's doing because Trump is a master of the media. Donald Trump is terrific at manipulating the media. He always has been. I can tell you when when he used to have his show, The Apprentice, I used to lay in bed with my then wife and watch the show, and I remember turning to her and saying, "You know, I've got to admit, Trump has won me over. I feel like I'm halfway through an MBA just watching this show." He's great at using the media.

[09:20] So, he's right when he says, "Why does Bibi have to say this to the public?" about Pickax Mountain, and we're going to bomb them again, and we're going to bomb them into submission, and they're a an existential threat to the United States as well as to Israel. Why say all that? Because you're trying to influence American public opinion to pressure the president to do what you want him to do. And I think Trump is tired of it. He's tired of Netanyahu constantly

[09:52] trying to manipulate him. And I want to make another point, too. And this is going to maybe be a little controversial. But we've all seen video of Netanyahu speaking before Congress in 2002 and saying, "Saddam Hussein is an existential threat to Israel and to the United States. If we overthrow Saddam Hussein, there will be peace in the Middle East." And then there wasn't.

[10:24] And then he's testifying before Congress in 2008 or 2009 and he says, "If we overthrow Muammar Gaddafi and the Libyan government, they're an existential threat to the United States and to Israel. We'll have peace in the Middle East." And we did that, and it just made everything worse. And then a year ago, he's before Congress saying, "If we overthrow the Iranian government, they're an existential threat to the United States and to and to Israel, and we'll have peace in the Middle East." No, we won't. We do all of Israel's dirty

[10:54] work for it. We kill thousands, tens of thousands of people, and what do we get out of it? Nothing. Well, I'll tell you what I think is a little bit controversial. If you are the leader of Iran or a leader of Iran, what do you do to protect yourself? The only thing that you can do is build a nuclear weapon. We are not having a conversation right now, for example, about North Korea. You

[11:25] know why? Because North Korea has a nuclear weapon. And so nobody dares attack North Korea. Well, if you're Iranian, the only thing you can do to protect yourself from from this ongoing war or any future war is to develop a nuclear weapon. And I think, frankly, that's the next step. You can't bomb them forever. So, anyway, in this Trump quote, it's the president of the United States telling an ally, the country's closest ally,

[11:58] maybe, "You better not say anything to the press first without running it by me." in public on a cable news hit. And let me add one other thing. There was something else that the president and Netanyahu spoke about yesterday. And that was the possible sale of F-35 fighter jets to Turkey. Now, the Greek government and Greek-Americans have long been opposed to the sale of F-35s to Turkey because, frankly,

[12:28] we're afraid the Turks are going to use them against Greece. Well, the Israelis are afraid the Turks are going to use them against Israel. And so, Netanyahu has been strongly opposed to the sale of F-35s to Turkey. He mentioned that in public yesterday, and the president didn't appreciate it. And he said, "I don't take my orders from a foreign leader as to which country I can make sales

[12:58] military sales to." And he meant it. It was a slap-down to Bibi Netanyahu, something that we hadn't we hadn't yet seen. And I'll let you in on another little secret. Presidents get caught off guard by news all the time. Even about what their allies are doing or have claimed they would do. They really do not like hearing news from reporters before getting it from the mouth of the foreign leader. When that happens, presidents usually fall back on

[13:28] diplomatic stock phrases, things like I don't discuss private conversations with foreign leaders. Or we're in constant communication. The situation is evolving. Or any one of the other hundred thousand phrases in the lexicon of national security silliness and and international diplomacy, which is why it is such a big deal that Trump chose to reprimand Netanyahu for discussing strategy with reporters rather than just BS the question.

[14:00] You don't have to answer every question a reporter throws at you. Especially when you know or ought to know that your answer is going to anger the president of the United States. But Bibi right now is a very happy man that he got this meeting at all. And listen to this statement from Netanyahu's communications director about their relationship with Trump. Here's what he said, quote, "There is no truth in the claim that Israel is pushing the US in a certain direction on

[14:30] the Iran issue. The Prime Minister is not telling the US president what to do and is not pushing him in any direction." You have to be utterly brain dead to believe a single word of that. It's actually offensive as an American and as somebody who, you know, watches the news even a little bit, it's offensive that the Israeli Prime Minister's communications director think any American would believe that.

[15:01] Does that sound like something you would say if you were not pushing your friend in a certain direction? Would you deny it multiple times in a few sentences? Well, after that little show from Netanyahu, Trump told Fox News this morning, "Excellent meeting," he said. "Bibi understands now." So, apparently it was enough. BB understands now. That tells me that the president slapped him down. What if the way money works is about to

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[16:35] 401k, you need to read it right now. Get your free copy at johnlovesgold.com. That's johnlovesgold.com or call 888-GOLD-053. Well, I started this episode by saying that there was a lot of news to get through, and there is a lot of news. We just didn't think yesterday when we started putting this together that so much of it would be focused on Israel, but here we are. Let's talk about Netanyahu and the International Criminal

[17:06] Court. I want to show you something else that's disturbing. We have given Lindsey Graham a lot of airtime on the show the last 2 weeks, but I truly cannot think of a more revealing person as far as how Benjamin Netanyahu captured US officials and anyone sympathetic to his cause. Last night we got some crocodile tears from Netanyahu about how difficult the International Criminal Court is potentially making his life.

[17:37] After all, he's been charged with war crimes and crimes against humanity. Let's listen to what Sean Hannity had to say. >> But it scares me in this sense for you. Um you travel internationally. >> Yep. >> God forbid you had a medical emergency and you need to land. And you're you're about to land in a country that recognizes the ICC. It could complicate things. Do you worry about that? >> Yeah, I think about it. You know, we have we have special forces around, you know, I

[18:07] served in the for 5 years. >> Well, the idea of it's pretty tough. They have a very tough job. >> give them a new task, you know. Yeah, of course it's Look, it's the corruption of the international system. It's an unelected unelected bureaucracy that sits in The Hague that it could arrest American soldiers because you don't recognize this corrupt body any more than we do. And they could say that the president of the United States is a war criminal. That American soldiers valiantly fighting next to us shoulder to shoulder

[18:37] against these the tyranny in Tehran, that they're war criminals. They could pick them up. >> Man, there's so much to talk about here. The United States and Israel are not signatories to what's called the Rome Statute. The Rome Statute created the ICC and made it something akin to what we had at Nuremberg after the Second World War where Nazi war criminals were given a fair trial. Some were acquitted

[19:08] and others were convicted, some were executed, some were imprisoned. But there ought to be an international agreement that when somebody commits war crimes or somebody commits crimes against humanity, that they're dealt with. Right? Look at Slobodan Milosevic, the former dictator of Yugoslavia. He died in a prison cell in The Hague. As he should have. But the United States doesn't recognize the ICC and Israel doesn't recognize the

[19:40] ICC. And so Netanyahu is free to come and go from the United States as he pleases. And he comes many times a year. But what happens if he has a medical emergency on a flight? What happens if the plane has engine trouble and it's forced to land in Italy, Austria, Greece, Spain, wherever, Ireland. The leaders of those countries are compelled by treaty to arrest him and to turn him over to

[20:13] the ICC. Okay, what would happen in in that event? Well, Congress has already thought about what would happen. During the Obama administration, Congress passed something known as the Hague Invasion Act, which authorizes the president to call out the US military to invade the Netherlands. To invade the Netherlands

[20:43] and to take over the International Criminal Court to then free Benjamin Netanyahu and let him run back to Israel. This is how crazy the world has gotten. Now, when Netanyahu talks about unelected bureaucrats, you know, yeah. That's the way the world works. Every country has unelected bureaucrats. That's how governments operate. Who elected the Nuremberg Tribunal? Nobody. They were appointed by the

[21:13] United States, Britain, France, and the Soviet Union. And it worked. It showed that rule of law is really a thing that needs to be respected. I've said multiple times in multiple venues, you cannot have your policy be to just go into some place like Gaza or the West Bank and kill everybody. Men, women, children, the elderly. You flatten the hospitals, you flatten the

[21:44] flatten the homes, you flatten the schools, and then whoever survives, you starve them. Those are war crimes and crimes against humanity. And sure, the United States, which I believe strongly, is wrong on this issue. The United States is going to save you. But most other countries aren't. They aren't going to save you. Yesterday, we got another bombshell. This is Netanyahu strategizing with Lindsey Graham about how to discredit the ICC

[22:16] when they came out with their ruling that Netanyahu had likely committed war crimes. Listen to this. It's Lindsey Graham on the phone with Netanyahu.

[22:47] >> [clears throat] >> I I tell you the perfect person would be the speaker, Speaker Johnson. >> [clears throat] >> Speaker Johnson. No, to have to have him on the letter.

[23:19] I don't know. I won't know doubt try. But I will try. I promise you that. >> So let's let's unpack that. Did you catch how casual their tone was? Uh let me brainstorm some Democrats we can get to cosign. And of course there will be or there would have been Democrats Natanyahu there is talking exactly like how he would say say call a friend if a judge were to find him guilty of a crime. No plan

[23:50] desperate for anything. I'm going to call my friend Lindsey. See if Lindsey can write a strongly worded letter. Get a bunch of important people to sign it. And um hope for the best. What else are you going to do? Let me read for you the rest of that reporting from the New York Times because it's it's shocking. You're going to want to hear it. Quote Mr. Holder recorded the audio without video of a second call between the two men that he said took place later that

[24:20] day. Only Mr. Graham's voice could be heard. On that call Mr. Graham joked to Mr. Netanyahu who that he should quote pay me for all this. I should get tons of shekels. Unquote. It would take quote more than dinner. Unquote. He added. Then he said that quote we got them both. Unquote. Appearing to refer to Senators Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut and Ben Cardin of Maryland two Democrats

[24:53] who said they would sign a letter protesting the efforts to move ahead with an arrest warrant. Quote, "So, here's why I'm calling you." Mr. Graham told Mr. Netanyahu saying that he hoped to get the letter, quote, "out the door Wednesday." Unquote, appearing to refer to the next day, October 30th. Quote, "So, send me over whatever you want to say." "And they want to say two things to the ICC." Unquote. One was that the prosecutor should speak with the Israeli government and not move ahead with the

[25:24] case until, quote, "the cloud is lifted." Unquote, from the prosecutor's own problems. What Mr. Graham requested in exchange, he said, was for Mr. Netanyahu, quote, "to call Blumenthal and Cardin and thank them for being fair-minded on this and also thank them for trying to help with Saudi-Israel normalization." "You appreciate it. You're very interested in it and that will encourage both of them." Unquote. The letter was released on November 1st,

[25:56] 2024. And it included Mr. Blumenthal and Mr. Cardin as signers. In addition to noting the allegations against Mr. Khan, the prosecutor, who just resigned a week ago because of sexual improprieties. The letter said that the ICC, quote, "did not comply." Unquote, with the law by declining to keep a planned meeting with Israeli representatives before applying for the arrest warrant. None of them responded for comment.

[26:27] Um, I'm very sensitive to the term espionage. Um, I mentioned in a previous episode that in my case, my judge set a new legal precedent for application of the Espionage Act. And she determined that espionage was very simply providing national defense information to any person not entitled to receive it. Simple. None of these documentary filmmakers

[26:58] were cleared for classified information, and literally everything that Lindsey Graham is talking about is classified. People in the United States have gone to prison for far less collusion with a foreign leader than what he we have seen in these tapes, these videos of Lindsey Graham and Benjamin Netanyahu. And it also leads me to ask where in the world America's relationship with Israel is headed.

[27:29] Where will it be in 5, 10, 30 years? I mentioned in the last five there's been a 50 percentage point split or move away from support for Israel. And now the vast majority of Democrats, the vast majority of independents, and a sizeable number of Republicans think that Benjamin Netanyahu committed war crimes and that he should be

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[30:06] to to profile foreign leaders for the president, the vice president, the national security advisor, and the secretaries of state and defense. Anytime they were seeing a world leader, we had to write a classified psychological profile of that world leader. And I still kind of enjoyed doing it just for myself. My job at the agency when I first got hired was uh to be essentially Saddam Hussein's classified biographer for the intelligence community. His

[30:38] His classified psychological biographer. And I worked with a team of psychiatrists, psychologists, and anthropologists to make sure that that we had cutting-edge analysis. Well, our first profile is going to be on a man named Reza Pahlavi. Someone who also attended Lindsey Graham's funeral yesterday in Washington. Reza Pahlavi is the former Crown Prince and the eldest son of the last Shah of Iran.

[31:08] He's been waiting in the wings, attempting to jockey to lead Iran in the event of regime change. You're going to hear how charismatic he is in these clips. And you can make your own decision as to how likely it is that he's going to be the leader of Iran. But let me say a couple of things about Reza Pahlavi. Um I not so jokingly have referred to him in podcast appearances in the past as the Clown Prince of Iran. He left Iran as a very young man,

[31:41] in his very early 20s, or about the age of 20, in 1979. He hasn't been back to Iran since 1979. He is strongly supported by Israel, uh by the Jewish community here in America, by the Iranian exile community here in America. Not the entire community, but I mean like the Southern California very wealthy uh Iranian exiles.

[32:12] He lives in a multi-million dollar palace in Potomac, Maryland, a close-in suburb of Washington, D.C. But he's not a player. He's never been a player. Since the US and Israel began bombing Iran, he's appeared on a handful of podcasts. He was on the Patrick Bet-David Show uh once or twice, and a couple of other podcasts, in which he sort of says what you would expect him to say that, you know, yes, the regime is terrible, it has to be

[32:44] overthrown, the Iranian people have to be liberated. And then sometimes he'll say that he's the one who should lead Iran, and other times he says that he's not the one who should lead Iran. The truth is he would and I've I've said this in the past and I've gotten death threats for it. I'm going to say it again. He would not survive the walk from the plane to the terminal if he were to go back to Iran. Nobody wants him in Iran. Nobody. And if there's one thing that the

[33:16] Israeli and American bombing of Iran has done is that it's united the Iranian people. You can't you can't attack a country murder its religious leader murder most of its senior governmental leadership murder all of its military leaders murder all of its nuclear scientists and say, "We're here to help."

[33:48] We know we've been bombing you and we the first night of the bombing we blew up the school and killed 160-something little girls from the school, but but we're the good guys and we're here to help you and we want to take this stooge this clown from Potomac, Maryland and impose him on you so that he can be a dictator like his father was. Well, the reason that that Reza Pahlavi's father

[34:19] Mohammad Reza Pahlavi was overthrown in the first place is because he was a bloodthirsty murderous dictator. And people were tired of being murdered by the SAVAK, the secret police. So, Reza Pahlavi's not going back to Iran. He's not going to lead Iran. He's not going to be a player in any respect.

[34:49] Although the pro-war faction of the Republican Party and the Israeli government think he's great. We've got a little clip that we want to show you of an interview that Reza Pahlavi did yesterday with Reuters. >> There have been reports, uh, they're kind of anonymous, that you've received funding from Israel and Saudi Arabia. Is that true? >> Absolutely false. I have not been a recipient of any governmental or public

[35:21] fund on the outside. Every dime that comes to my campaign comes from private donations uh of supporters. Hopefully, we'll have more benefactors that'll give us bigger checks. >> From where we're sitting today, when do you think regime change might occur? >> I think we're very close to it. And the reason I say this is because, first and foremost, the regime is at its weakest it's ever been since 47 years. Not to mention the fact that in terms of legitimacy, it has totally lost any remaining possible legitimacy it might

[35:54] have had. >> It's just wrong. He's just wrong. He forgets that when his father was first overthrown, Iran went through a series of presidents. There was even an editorial cartoon at the time, I remember, in the New York Times, where Ayatollah Khomeini was telling some Iranian-looking guy, "I have good news and I have bad news. The good news is, I'm naming you president of Iran. The

[36:25] bad news is, I'm naming you president of Iran. Because there was a cycle of presidents of Iran that would just get blown up or shot or arrested or disappeared or whatever. That was when the regime was weak. Not today. This war has forced the Iranian populace together. To rally. You know, you would think that we would have learned a lesson

[36:56] with the Iraq war. We have so convinced ourselves that we're the good guys. We just can't fathom the notion that when we cross a border, we're not going to be seen as liberators. We're going to be seen as invaders and occupiers. It happens time and time again. We couldn't defeat the Taliban. They didn't even have shoes. And they beat us. We couldn't defeat the Iraqis. Iraq is still in a state of chaos.

[37:27] But we think that we're going to be greeted in as liberators in Iran? Why would we think that? We would think that because people don't have any understanding of history. So here is this clown waiting in the wings pretending to jockey to lead Iran in the event of regime change. Well, I would liken him to Ahmed Chalabi. For those of you who don't remember Ahmed Chalabi, he was a similar clown

[37:58] that was in the pay of the CIA, the American government. And we made this really stupid plan to make him the president of Iraq as soon as we overthrew Saddam Hussein. And the Iraqi people said, "Oh, no, you don't." Well, it's happening again. Finally, one of the things that the Iranian government has been really good at since the start of this war is propaganda. I enjoy looking at pieces of propaganda because some of them are really great
